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PostPosted: Sun Dec 07, 2008 3:43 pm
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Not to long ago I came across the unique opportunity to purchase all of the Tokyopop translation of Blame! in one go at a store. It's not everyday you find the whole 10 volumes on the shelf still in plastic.

So I bit the bullet and bought the whole lot in a go. I already had Noise! for a while so it's in the shot as well for completions sake.



Having Blame! in dead tree has made it easier to cross reference and make some conclusions.

I now conclusively believe that Blame! is not a cyclical event. Taking into account within the canon of Blame! the events of Noise! and the supporting works NSE and Blame^2, the events of Blame!'s narrative have a consistent and definite beginning and ending. It is also clear that the Biomega narrative stands completely apart from Blame!.

Additional observations, these will discount interpretations of vague imagery such as Killy's fragmented visions;

-The Authority (Governing Agency in some scanlations) refers to Killy as an agent of a Pre-Safeguard system.

-The origins of the Safeguard and the Silicon Creatures are the narrative elements of Noise! It can be therefore surmised that either Killy, or Killy's design already existed during this time period.

-Killy is equally as antagonistic to the SC as the SG themselves.

-Sanakan's personality has had allegiances with the Safeguard and the Authority. Respectively Sanakan also appears to have some prior association to Killy in her initial addresses to him.

-We know that the Safeguard exist independently of Authority control. The Authority are consistently protagonist to Killy/humans while the Safeguard are consistently mutually Antagonistic to all parties.

-Independent Safeguards exist. Dhomochevsky and Iko are examples. Iko comments that Killy's registration codes have been 'erased'. It would appear that Between Killy, Dhomochevsky and Sanakan, Killy and Dhomochevsky are more similar in physical hardware while Sanakan even in GA form has a body formed of an Exterminator type Silicon Base.

-Sanakan exhibits physical abilities that are clearly beyond the limitations of what Killy and Dhomochevsky can do including direct matter conversion to reform body parts. Dhomo and Killy both appear to use non-matter based energy to supplement power. Killy is demonstrated to be able to metabolize food for energy. Killy appears to be more self-sustaining than Dhomo, but Dhomo is able to use the structural conversion towers to perform repairs.

-Dhomo wasn't able to restore his eye after approximately 93504 days since sustaining the injury, despite the fact it was a thin clean stab wound. Killy has recovered from worse, even from Schiff's same blades. This leads me to believe that Dhomo and Killy are not equal in hardware.

It is not unreasonable to assume from the previous point that 'special agents' of Killy's hardware type are in some manner ubiquitous amongst the two factions GA/SG. Variations thereof are not an unreasonable hypothesis either, which goes a long way in explaining Sanakan in her initial appearance, in GA form and also Killy's 'twin' in the last part of Blame!. It is also observed while Killy is defined as a pre-safeguard entity, he is identified as a safeguard by Dhomo and also Mensab, as well as having direct access to secure Safeguard facilities.

It is perhaps also not unreasonable to theorize that Killy's hardware is mission specific, being that he is instinctively good at what he does and he doesn't require very much personality to do it.

My conclusion on Killy's origin is thus; Killy is a "Safeguard to the Safeguard". The Safeguard's mission is twofold to ensure the security of the Netsphere and also to eliminate indiscriminately humans and SC without the Net Terminal Gene, previously Net Terminal Implants. Killy's overarching mission is not so much Netsphere security, but Netsphere STABILITY. This also explains the events of Blame^2, where he is no longer antagonistic to the SC, having accomplished his Blame! mission.

This seems congruent to Killy's mission, capability and progressiveness. I do not believe the scenario 'resets'. Aside from the supporting works directly circumventing that theory there are too many things required that need to reset in a convoluted fashion such as the events at THI (to aquire Seu's DNA), Davine-Lu-Linvega's ascension attempt, the convergence of Sanakan and Cibo... simply too many specific events to repeat with any reasonable plausibility.

That's all the rambling I feel up to for now.



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man. i SURE envy you.
If there'd be such thing in Russia - i'd do the same.

And about storyline.

As i remember well, Sanakans needls turn humans into Exterminators - and thus providing them with SG regestry. And she shoted some of the needles in Killy - thus providing connection to SG server that works with Registration - and that's why his functions as SG - renewed. But Sanakan adressing to Killy - is fact. So i agree that Killy WAS somewhere back in time an SG Unit - and that's why he wasn't turned in to Extarminator.

About Sanakans special features and Killy's
We know that Susono Musubi has had some of similar abilities. So it's understandable that later versions of SG units was more Inhuman like. And i agree that Killy seems to be an earlier version of SG (pre SG unit). But i think he was upgraded, somwhere between his travels. Because he has an GBE unit made special for him (He connected himself to mass of Exterminators to refill (overdrive ??) his GBE - thus he specially customized to use it, thus (GBE is a technology of far later than NOiSE IMHO) he is upgraded to use it. or GBE upgraded to be used by him.

there are some other thoughts abot this and that... but it's to hard to try and catch them now



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Thank you... saed



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The needle theory is most reasonable.

Sanakan hits Killy with the needles multiple times as opposed to just once for the Fishermen (Electrofishers in the TP trans). So it may even be assumed that Sanakan even at that point is acting intentionally. It therefore makes narrative sense that in her second appearance as a human child she doesn't react with any surprise or consternation to Killy's GBE.

Killy then states that he knows now how to read the SG's language. Which implies that prior to the needle incident he did not have the SG language base in software.

Her asking the question; "Only your functions have been restored?" is most telling. Restored" suggests that Killy had many if not all of his original abilities beforehand.

An elegant theory, I find no reason to disagree with it.

But it remains to be seen whether Killy was ever definitely attached to the SG. It may have been that it was a simple allegiance. Plausible but not definitive by any means. "It is possible that Killy has been 'upgraded' in his past as you say, but that's an unsupported assumption. Where Graviton technology comes into the universe is unclear. GBE's are referred by the SC as "Weapons of the Safeguard", but we do see that as a GA Representative Sanakan uses one too. It would appear that in her case at least, the GBE is part and parcel of her 'program', seeing that she spawns in with one. It isn't out of question that GBE's are meant to be part of the hardware specs of some individual 'agents'.

The appearance of his GBE in Killy's dream sequence can be read in so many different ways, so I don't feel that using it to support any theory one way or the other is appropriate as yet.

I do agree though that particular GBE is in all likelyhood his GBE.



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I agree with everything except 1. Biomega isn't a prequel to blame!

Reason 1)Biomega is the prequel to blame, not only do they share similarities, it's also been specifically stated during the German release.


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But Nihei-san has yet to say that it is NOT Blame(!) related.

I own some of Nihei's works published via Tokyopop and I've yet to see anywhere that Nihei, himself, clearly stated that there is no connection between Biomega and Blame!.

I'm not trying to say that there is one, but as far as I'm aware, the possibility has not been officially denied.

As for the German translation...

I can't say that it said that in the opening chapters of the English translation...


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